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Personally, I’m able to differentiate btw the Amazon series and the books. I loved the series. Then I read the books (all of them), and while I was shocked at some of the differences, but ultimately view them as different stories altogether. Both enjoyable in their own rights.

Too bad the show is absolute garbage.

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So much more accessible.

Isn’t this too nerdy and might put off ur average joe as might think “omg, wait wut, is this what I’m gonna become tho if I read TWOT”

"Yeah there's definitely going to be some poorly drawn wee wee's in here" - first few seconds.

Nightblood isn't evil, he's misunderstood.

Do you know that Season 1 will do the whole first book or not? In Hungary the books splitted into two parts.

Please, don't destroy what was written. I understand that you need to change things a bit to bring it to the screen, but please for the love of all things created by the Creator, don't change it too much. I don't care that I already know the story.. Knowing it, and seeing it on screen are two different things. Also, do you all have plans to get this series out better than the others. The main core of WoT Fans began reading this series since the 90's when we were teenagers. Now, that original fan base is like, "Damn, I'll be 60 if I'm already dead before this show's over!" So I was wondering, are you gonna go with a traditional format and take over 13 years to do this series or will you do two seasons a year and, maybe, just maybe, the original fans like me who paid for, and supported this book series from the beginning a chance to see it fulfilled.

Hilarious that y’all totally ignored rafe judkins for a long time. Like 2 - 3 minutes. Lol.

I think a cool way to do lews therin in a in the room kind of way would be to have the first couple of times when we here him talk, we see the figure of the the side, out of focus, and when rand or the camera turns to see him he is gone. Then after a few appearances he shows up for real. It would be a interesting way to show the growing insanity

Can't wait! Maybe do a poll or pre-order to see how many want/ can afford the 4th tier. I'm certainly looking forward to it.

Love the panel, looking forward to the show. Regarding Lews Therin, I can kind of see them doing a Mr. Robot, but a disembodied voice would lend itself better to horror, if done right. Using a little of both approaches and going from mysterious to clearly-defined could also help show the progress of Rand’s mental.

My girlfriend is not a big reader. She just does not enjoy it. So getting her to read this series is basically impossible. She appreciates how much I love it though. I am incredibly excited to be able to share it with her. This is a medium I think she can enjoy it with me. Even though it will be different. Also it was an awesome panel!!!!!!!

One of the greatest things that really assures me about the show is that not only is Rafe a super fan, but he has many great advisors and takes this advice to heart. This is not *just* his vision and it won't *just* be his own view on the books. It is a collaboration of the closest people to the original author and the most knowledgeable people about the books who are also fans. I think that many adaptations have been poisoned by 3 things in particular: 1. A single view on the original which will clash with many people. 2. A decision (often by the studio) to obviously inject "modern" themes or adjust it too much to hit as many people as possible. For instance by changing characters so the evil characters are not "as evil" because people like this character or that they remove difficult themes (such as slavery in WoT) because it doesn't take a complete and opposite stance against it. Grey areas are fun! 3. Trying to adapt it to a certain audience who are not the potential audience of the original story. Examples are language, always beautiful actors where it makes no sense, teenage problems injected where it doesn't belong, PG that completely changes the mood and tone, etc. Don't get me wrong, these things can be included to a degree but it needs to be done in a way that doesn't destroy something that is already great. We can handle dark! We can handle morally grey areas! We don't need the show to take a defining stance for us because that very much ruins the interesting part of a show/movie. That said, I am confident that Rafe and Co. will do it justice from what I have seen and I keep getting more confident about the show.

That is great But i hope that people from other countries can get this special edition.

27:21 answering the question about what made Rafe make the decision to do WoT is exactly the same answer that Brandon Sanderson gave when asked to finish the books :O

I disagree with the last point Jess and thom made. If they are going to have that relationshiip in the show they need to make it what it was. That relationship was never a BDSM relationship. Right there you are doing what a lot of people dont want the show to do is put Mordern morality / Coversations into a series that does no exist. This is obviously an abusive relationship. anything other then that is changing a fundamental aspect of the books and a msg RJ wanted to show. I agree with you guys though the way it's done needs to be way better. But i believe it can be done better and i know that people are sensative to this topic but that should not stop it from being told.

I am betting the scene Rafe was referring to was the Elayne & Gwayne meeting Rand scene... :)

The view numbers might not be so high (yet), but this is a very high quality level of WoT discussion. Please keep it up.

As to the question about Lews Therin being handled in the show, I would love to see him actually cast as a role and have him interact with Rand throughout the show. In the season that he starts appearing to Rand, he would actually be there in the room addressing him, and the audience that isn't aware of how the books go should assume he's a real character interacting with Rand and not notice that the other characters aren't addressing him. Rand not realizing he's hallucinating at first would be so much more powerful if it's revealed at the end of that season that nobody else can see or hear Lews Therin. Watching some part of him crumble when Min's like "wtf is Lews Therin? Rand, who are you talking to?" could be such an effective moment to pull back the curtain and reveal that Rand has been an unreliable character for that entire season and the audience not aware of the books should feel just as duped as Rand and understand how it would feel to be misled by unreliable senses. HBO's "The Leftovers" did this masterfully throughout the entire show by bringing back dead characters to kind of "haunt" the remaining ones who were mentally unstable, which allowed those characters to act as an external manifestation of psyche and conscience that could spell out the internal struggle that the main character was undergoing but unwilling to speak about.

I know it's not gonna happen, but I want Amazon to do the longest running fantasy series. 1 book, 1 season :D

Rafe is coming off really cool in this. The Balance theme comments are very good.

A "no jerks" policy... I guess that keeps me out.

Can we not have gender bullshit in this show.Please..

Hopefully we will have some trailers by EOY!!

THIS MAT AND TYLIN DISCUSSION IS RIDICULOUS: He is a self-denying character. He repeatedly says he hates battle - but he does it because he secretly likes it! He doesn't want to lead - but he does it and likes it! He doesn't want to marry - but he does it and likes it! JUST LIKE THESE EXAMPLES...Mat doesn't really understand and can't admit to himself how much he likes the game Tylin (something they both understand but don't say because then the illusion and fantasy of the game is lost) played with him until its over. He complains about it the same way an old uncle of mine did about helping people until there was a fire in a home and he wouldn't stop going in to rescue children...

If Adam got it right in regards to Lews Therin, then getting the casting right will be very important. Mins visions, just have Min tell like she does in the Books, kiss it(keep it simple stupid)

Great panel everyone. I’ve had FOMO Jordan Con for years. It was nice to get to come this time. :)

They could possibly do Lewis Therin the way Expanse did Miller.

Jennifer, I’m in the same boat. 18 years teaching and I’m starting from scratch. Lol

Looking forward to seeing more videos!! Good luck with growing your channel. Do you know about FollowSM . c o m!?? I think it would really help you grow your channel!

Rafe Judkins was Daniel Greene this whole time

Live stream chat has/had corrected the info on the division of the two parts. Peter Ahlstrom said the division was different from the UK editions.

The stress of trying to grab the 4th tier when there might be exclusive early access is already hitting me hard. 1000 units only is rough

this was awesome.

51:10 Logic wins out huh ? That's funny I've given page numbers, quotes, and links to all my evidence to support my argument and usually they come back with a link to some obscure science paper on why it could be possible, no matter that we were discussing what was written by the author, not what was a possibility. And those that are lacking in logic are the very ones purporting that Emonds Field was a diversity wonderland. Sorry, it isn't now nor has it ever been, Jordan wrote it that way, I guess people have no respect for authors works anymore, as long as they twist and wrangle it into something that checks the right boxes then it's fair game.

23:15, did anyone notice that Rafe just confirmed that first 2 seasons will have 8 episodes each.

Great show.

I think my definition of gut punch must be different. I don't feel like the KoD scene with the Ogier is a gut punch at all. Its a really cool scene, and would probly make my list of top 10 or even 5 most awesome scenes in the series, but not emotional enough to call a gut punch imo. I would have went with Hopper's (2nd) death personally or Rand choking Min but Rand almost killing Tam is a good choice too. Probably should have just said plotline instead of scene for that last question. Both of their choices are good but I might choose the Morgase subplot over both of them as something to eliminate.

This was so good

I think Rafe was talking about Logain when he mentioned an actor vanishing for several books. This may mean we will get more of him in the show than in the early books

Where can I get Matt's shirt

Great discussion, very enjoyable! Extra cool that Rafe was able to join the panel. Some reflections in view of what was said and in general: The Wheel of Time-story is very intricate (also with much internal dialogue), therefore more difficult to adapt to the screen than many other stories, and needs to be dealt with delicately. The producers should keep in mind that Rand is the grand hero of the story (who has to go through hell and back emotionally and otherwise) so please treat his mental condition (cfr. Lews Therin/voices in his head) in the tv-series with delicacy, tact and care so he does not turn into a 'raving lunatic' before our eyes, that would demean the character and Robert Jordan's vision. Fandom will often be divided between those more 'book-conservative' (i.e. keep the tv-dramatization as close as possible to the books, at least when it comes to main events and characters, don't drop or change important things) and those more 'book-liberal' (i.e. a tv-dramatization/adaptation is a different medium and the story can and will be different, it is up to the producers/director to choose his interpretation on screen) and both views need to be accepted and respected imo. The Admins of Wheel of Time Communities also need to remember that critical voices are not necessarily 'jerks'/'trolls' i.e. a fan who believes a white caucasian character in the books should be the same in the tv-series and reacts if it is done differently in the tv-series is not a racist. This is a challenging but important balance that Admins ought to keep in mind as more fans will appear (as the panel mentioned) awaiting the coming tv-series, to allow fact-based critical fan-comment, which is not just 'trolling', but also to moderate to keep things civil (keep the true 'jerks' out). As was also said in the panel, people will have different views since people are different and have different mental pictures having read the books and therefore different expectations (those who have not read the books will come with a 'clean slate' of course, same as was the case with 'Game of Thrones'). Many lovers of Robert Jordan's books will approach the tv-series with a mixture of excitement and trepidation; to echo Rafe's thoughts: 'don't screw this up'. Hopefully as more information is released about cast, filming etc most concerns will be put to rest. Let us hope the tv-series does this fantastic fantasy-saga justice and honours Robert Jordan's legacy. Stay safe, everyone!

Matt, you’re getting really good at managing these shows, spreading the conversation around and making segways from one commenter to the other. Good job 👍

This was awesome, thanks to all involved! This truly is the best fan community I’ve been a part of. ❤️

My thoughts on Lews Therin being a voice vs a physical presence in the room for only Rand to see.....what are they gonna have him and Lews shoved together in a box? 📦 my mind immediately jumped to Dumais Wells when they brought that up

I enjoyed this immensely! Found myself nodding in agreement & laughing throughout. Thank you all 🙏🏻

This was amazing to see. Despite how little we know, this was very reassuring.

I am loving this so much. I didn't get to see this live, but it's so wonderful to finally see Rafe interacting with the fans. I also really liked what Jennifer Liang said about the 'poem'. I feel like every WoT reader has a slightly different take on the books and the characters, and that's a good thing.